Just a magnet for free agents
posted by Mike Boone at 10h21 EST on Apr 22
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Submitted by the_vipah on Wed, 04/23/2008 - 13:07.
Yawn. Who...Gives...A....#%^%..
Stop making stories out of nothing please, stop feeding the fire.
Boone: "What, the offer is better than Baghdad's?"
Comparing this in anyway to whats going on in Iraq is an insult to anyone in this world who deals with real problems rather then an isolated bunch of immature behavior. You guys need to a get grip, seriously.
Submitted by Habsgirl (not verified) on Wed, 04/23/2008 - 13:30.
Why didn't Briere's wife want him to live in Montreal. Does she live there? Those long distance marriages work well I hear, especially if your man is a prick.
Submitted by Chuck on Wed, 04/23/2008 - 14:42.
Ba-zing!!!
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Submitted by twitch on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 23:55.
yeah, i'm sure hockey players love experiences like this: http://youtube.com/watch?v=6n2cAJnCFJM
Submitted by Chuck on Wed, 04/23/2008 - 01:45.
I hope that his "fans" feel cool after that. Did they really think that he would appreciate that crap? What makes people think that it would be all right to pound on the hood of someone's Porsche... especially someone that you show admiration for?
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Submitted by Chorske on Wed, 04/23/2008 - 00:04.
He had to drive out of his way to get to Ste Catherine from where the players exit the Bell Centre. My guess is that he won't be using that route again after games. Anyone who lives in MTL knows that Ste Catherine is a zoo at the best of times, and a quagmire to be avoided at all costs after playoff victories. Rookie mistake.
BTW. Cameras on cell phones are the pits.
Submitted by Chorske on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 18:56.
So now we're blaming Briere's WIFE too? Man, do we ever need to build a bridge and get over this guy. He had a million reasons to sign elsewhere: MTL had a bad history with FAs; high taxes; a poor short term outlook that most pundits felt didn't include a playoff run; big media pressure; etc etc. I can't imagine Briere or his wife were thinking back to the 93 riots, lol. As embarrassing as the riot was, that is stretching it.
Riots or no, the team is classy and is winning again, the city is beautiful and cosmopolitain and mad about hockey. That's gotta be worth something to prospective FAs.
Watching that vid, there's a few sh*theads who deserve a serious baton beating. Maybe I'm getting conservative in my old age, but I thought the cops were overly restrained.
Submitted by Chuck on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 19:09.
I thought that the cops showed a lot of restraint, too.
Long before the trouble started, I was chatting with a few of them and they were amiable and happy to talk about the game, etc. I asked one of them about the riot gear, and she said, "it's a large group of rowdy people. You've got to be ready for anything, just in case."
While walking back to my car, I noticed that fire trucks were staged on the side streets not far from the action. That was when I realized that the authorities thought that they might really have their hands full.
Needless to say, I wasn't about to hang around to see what happened next.
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Submitted by Habsgirl (not verified) on Wed, 04/23/2008 - 13:31.
Oh..."she said"...was SHE cute in her riot gear Chuckie....so transparent. LOL!
Submitted by Chuck on Wed, 04/23/2008 - 14:30.
Actually, she was quite cute! Then again, I have a thing for women in uniform, so what do I know? :)
We neen more women cops here in Ontario!
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Submitted by Gormdog on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 19:30.
Haha, i guess we're oh-so-different.
You couldn't have paid me to leave the area.
Submitted by Chuck on Wed, 04/23/2008 - 01:47.
That made you part of the problem. That's nothing to laugh about.
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Submitted by Habsgirl (not verified) on Wed, 04/23/2008 - 13:34.
Did you leave with the cute riot cop's number Chuck at least? I'm just teasing you Chuck. Don't get upset. I agree with you. People need to calm down, show class and restraint. I agree with what you wrote. We want to show the world how to win. I just thought it was funny when you wrote SHE. Hahahaha.
Submitted by Chuck on Wed, 04/23/2008 - 14:37.
Hahaha... no, sadly no phone number, I'm afraid. She was too busy getting her game face on, I guess.
She was with another 6 or 7 cops when we were chatting, and at least another three of them were women. I'm liking the hiring practices of the Montreal police!
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Submitted by Chorske on Wed, 04/23/2008 - 11:21.
They're talking about bringing in some pretty strict rules about hanging around Ste Catherine street on game nights. I don't understand how a city that can party responsibly 99.9% of the time can't celebrate major hockey victories without torching buses or cop cars.
I don't know how, but we need to find ways to turn partying on ste catherine into something positive- like the Red Mile in Calgary (RIP).
Submitted by 93miraclecup on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 18:44.
Aside from the stupidity of destroying property to "celebrate" anything, I am so embarrassed these morons were rioting to "celebrate" a first round victory!
It used to take a cup to get a hab fan's attention. I know it's been a while since '93 but it's sad that even the hooligans have sunk to Maple Leaf fans' expectations.
Submitted by Chuck on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 18:50.
You do have to remember, though, that most of the crowd were late-teens to early 20's. They would have barely entered elementary school the last time the Habs won the Cup. This was their first real time to celebrate anything.
Gather outside of the Bell Centre after the game to wave flags and cheer the team into the second round? I had no problem with that, as long as everything was kept civil.
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Submitted by Habsgirl (not verified) on Wed, 04/23/2008 - 13:38.
I teach high school. I love my students but they are angry about their world. It's an entitled generation. They love to have a reason to set a cop car on fire. I agree with Chuck. Cheer, wave a flag, be respectful but keep the teen angst under control. No one needs to see it. Save it for your parents' living-room. They have to love you. We don't want to see it. We don't have to love you and we don't need to put up with it.
Submitted by The Teacher on Wed, 04/23/2008 - 16:48.
Yup, an entitled generation is right.
"One face-off, one battle, one shift, one period, one game, one series at a time."
"Are the Habs ready to pay the Price?"
Submitted by Chuck on Wed, 04/23/2008 - 14:42.
So true. At that age, it's time to learn to suck it up and deal with the fact that the world won't bring everything to you on a silver platter. And getting angry and trashing stuff certainly isn't going to help your cause or earn you any sympathy, either.
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Submitted by Chuck on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 18:14.
I'm not sure what's more idiotic: torching police cars, or doing so while in full view of the TV cameras. I hope that the cops confiscate every inch of videotape and nail as many of those thugs as possible.
Jerks like that give my hometown and the Canadiens a bad name. I'm not impressed.
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Submitted by Mattee. on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 18:02.
Shame on those guys. Like really, what exactly is going through your head? "Yay we won! Let's go break stuff in celebration?" It's disgusting, For the first time in my life, I was ashamed to put on my jersey this morning (I still did). Even when we lost to T. last year I was more proud. We finally had something good for CBC to talk about and we go and pull something stupid like that.
Submitted by Ian Cobb on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 17:39.
You can be sure that tonight the Toronto CBC guys will milk this story all night during the games.
Black eye on my home town globally for sure, I hope they bring out the tasers for these drunken bastards.
Submitted by 24 Cups on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 18:31.
Ian - It was part of the Global News 6pm broadcast - not their sports report but their news section. They stated that the story and video had been shown worldwide. Their angle was that it would hurt Montreal's reputation as a world class city and subsequently impact on summer tourism. Nice timing. Sad to say, but there was no mention of the outcome of the game (other than Montreal won) and certainly no mention of Carey Price's heroics. The next question is what consequences will these guys receive?
The Original 24.4 Cups
Submitted by Habsgirl (not verified) on Wed, 04/23/2008 - 13:39.
Oh yes...Toronto will be showing Montreal in a poor light if they can. Don't let them.
Submitted by ajpursell on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 19:32.
Did the torch riots in Paris and London hurt their tourism?
Submitted by yathehabsrule on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 18:51.
CityTV in Toronto had it in their news as well...
http://www.bleacherreport.com/users/2098-Kevin_van_Steendelaar
Submitted by showey47 on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 17:49.
i agree ian. Tsn,cbc,sportsnet,don cherry etc. will make this their top story as long as the habs are still in the playoffs. We all know that those idiots go out of their way to find something negative to say about the habs. I watched the video on tsn and it was disgusting and disturbing. It is very embarassing to us real hab fans that a bunch of holigans used this as an oppurtunity to riot and create chaos.
Submitted by JasonM on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 18:01.
Absolutely.
I'm embarassed that this has happened. There are no excuses for this and I hope the police uses force next time, use tear gas and beat on some people and show some authority. I can't believe there were so many people "watching" people commiting crimes and not caring. That video really confirms that most of the people who did this were young hooligans, HAB "FANS" dressed in Hab colors and not random people who took advantage of the situation. THIS SHOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED.
I hope they make some kind of organization for identifying people off the footage gathered and have justice be served. This isn't funny at all, it's people like ME who have to pay for the 16 cop cars that need to be replace, people like me who can't even get tickets to Hab games because they get sold out to retards like this get them.
Bullshit.
Submitted by Gormdog on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 18:13.
Big difference between "watching" and not caring Jason.
It's mob mentality, i'm sorry, but us citizens are not responsible enough for the actions of a few bad seeds to warrant us getting rocks thrown at us. Clearly you weren't out there, and are just listening to what the news tells you, because everywhere you went there were people chastizing those who were vandalizing, booing them, but definitely not resorting to violence to solve violence, that's what full gear cops are for.
True Habs fans, everywhere, were telling these guys to get a life. I don't know what selective footage you saw, but take it from me, it was mostly NOT Habs fans who were doing the dirty work on the night.
Watching Global News deosnt make you an expert Jason, true habs fans all over the area were doing what they reasonably were expected to do, which was chastize the rioters and looters but ultimatly not physically responsible for stopping these nutcases...
We shoudl resort to their game? Maybe toss a Molotov cocktail at a pack of 16 year olds running around tossing bottles... that's what you want?
Submitted by JasonM on Wed, 04/23/2008 - 11:12.
When there's 100 people watching a handful of people doing what they are doing they aren't being helpful in any shape or form. Hanging around, "BOOING" and "CHASTIZING" does absolutely jack. Cops come around and see 100+ people around a scene of the crime and don't care if you did it or not, extra bodies around not doing anything, taking picture, videos only complicate things. Booing and chastizing won't prevent taxpayers like to take the repair bill, will it?
I truly hope the next time such a thing happens they use force, tear gas, rubber bullets, whatever they use on those who perform these type of dishonorable actions and those who stand around and complicate things.
End of discussion.
Submitted by Chuck on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 18:34.
My question to you would be, "Why did you hang around and watch in the first place?"
Sure there's the curiosity factor, but at some time common sense has to kick in telling you it's time to get out of there... say, when you're getting rocks thrown at you.
I would have also thought that cops in full riot gear forming up their lines might have also been another subtle hint.
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Submitted by Gormdog on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 19:24.
I'm a journalism student, what can i say, news attracts me.
I wanted to see what was happening to my neighborhood, to see it for myself and not through skewed news reports and videos on Youtube.
I figured, at the least, I would add to the massive amounts of people chastizing the vandals, and maybe, against my better judgement, lend a hand if things truely got out of hand (i tried to stop some guys from lighting a cop car on fire, but debates where one side throws insults while the other throws rocks is hardly a fair fight).
I guess in the midsts of a mini war, i still wanted to represent my Habs pride with good ol clean fun, like the hundreds of other true fans who stuck around and cheered on the boys till the wee hours of the morning without picking up a single brick...
Submitted by Chuck on Wed, 04/23/2008 - 02:03.
News attracts you... well, take it from someone that actually works in the media: unless you had a camera, audio recording device, or were putting a notepad to good use, you were just getting in the way, and were being the news instead of reporting it.
The cops had a job to do and they don't give a crap about your intentions. You were merely part of the crowd that they have to disperse.
Chastizing the vandals? Why do you think they were doing what they were doing in the first place? They were doing it to show off and to get a rise out of everyone around them. It's all gang mentality. By sticking around and watching the procedings, all you did for them was to validiate their actions.
Good ol' clean fun ended as soon as the first brick was thrown. After that, there was nothing to represent. All you ended up doing was getting in the cops way and gave them another person to deal with instead of allowing them to deal with the real troublemakers.
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Submitted by Sbah Reverof on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 17:06.
Just watched the TSN newsreel; pathetic and shameful. Whether it was the work of a few or many makes no difference. It happened here last night, and I am ashamed for this city. Whatever else we do or accomplish, sadly, this is the message sent out to the world.
Kinda depressing, really.
Submitted by VladIsMyDad on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 16:40.
The video posted to http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/ made me sick to my stomach.
Absolutely disgusting.
Submitted by Gormdog on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 17:03.
That's too funny vlad.
At the three minute mark, i see me, and my buddy, moving swiftly away from the cops...
we were walking down st Catties, looking at the carnage, and suddenly noticed there were no more poeple around... We look up, and are in no mans land, betweem a thousand yelling fans and 200 police. We noticed some guys getting clubbed on the sidewalk (2:50 into the video), and then the cops lined up. When you see the camera pan to the area where the cops are walking (3:05) you see me in my habs jersey walking away with my buddy on roller blades...
And yeah, it was sick out there. I had to witness it for myself, not cause trouble
Submitted by Chuck on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 18:21.
Unfortunately, being there to witness it for your self DOES cause trouble. The cops don't know you from Adam, and hanging out being a tourist puts you in the same boat as the guys that actually did it. In that situation, the cops have to treat everybody as suspect... even the people that think that they're doing no harm. The smartest thing to do would have been to leave the area, and not to artificially swell the numbers of the crowd that the cops had to disperse.
And it wasn't funny.
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Submitted by Gormdog on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 19:26.
Sorry, but i guess we have different senses of humour.
I'm sorry, but the last thing i expected was to end up on TSN, looking like the leaders of la resistance. I was just tring to get through st catties and see the carnage, nothing more.
I figured i'd be on the news, and i was, commenting on the disgraceful actions that had just happened in the city (hard to find a passionate and articulate Habs fan at 2 am in the morning after rioting)...
Just didnt expect to be on the other side of the coin too :P
Submitted by Chuck on Wed, 04/23/2008 - 02:23.
Well, now you know. Consider it a life lesson.
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Submitted by sidhu on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 16:12.
I'm hoping our first place finish in the East, getting the most goals in the league, and marching through to the second round (at least) will overcome the stupid actions of a very small subset of Habs fans.
It wouldn't surprise me if the Habs organization did something classy in response to the fact that some poor Bruins fan(s) got beat up.
Submitted by PattyBoy31 on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 17:01.
after the bruins did what to that habs fan that got suckered?
i agree though, the organization should and will do SOMETHING
Submitted by likehoy on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 15:45.
markov snubbed for norris.
Submitted by Sehs on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 15:51.
As good as he is, I don't think he's at Lidstrom's level as far as defensive play goes... The guy finished like +40.
Submitted by RS on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 16:42.
Chara nominated.
Submitted by yathehabsrule on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 18:53.
Clearly overated!
http://www.bleacherreport.com/users/2098-Kevin_van_Steendelaar
Submitted by The Teacher on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 19:54.
NOT.
Were you watching the series?
"One face-off, one battle, one shift, one period, one game, one series at a time."
"Are the Habs ready to pay the Price?"
Submitted by Sehs on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 15:43.
Wee I got tickets again!
Four in the blue for game 5... assuming there is one... which there should... right? :P
Submitted by Wencz on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 15:21.
Cops aren't angels, Teach; this must be true even in the black and white world where you're living.
Submitted by Timo (not verified) on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 15:10.
I agree with most of the posters (for once). Come on, Boone, the city is alright. There are retards who look to cause trouble everywhere, in every city. They need to get jobs. Perhaps Soviet's idea of forced labor camps was that bad overall. :)
Submitted by RJ on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 14:31.
There are people who act like idiots in all pro sports cities. I live in Boston and when the Patriots and Red Sox won, there were riots and bad behavior galore. As for Briere, there were riots when the Flyers won in 1974 and 1975. Has the likelihood of that prospect lessened over time? Hardly!
Submitted by Garbo on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 14:31.
Enough about the riot already, get it over it. That's three or four posts now that I read about it, after seeing it on the front page of the paper.
Submitted by Ian G Cobb on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 14:08.
Free Agents--Hum Bug!! Don't you know we are developing our own on the farm now, not like the other losers that try to buy the cup.
Submitted by nightmare_49 on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 17:38.
Ian G - How long are you going to stay on the bandwagon this time, lol.
Submitted by Ian Cobb on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 17:43.
Never gotten off, I was upset with there poor effort in Boston.
Submitted by cautiousoptimist on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 15:14.
I'd have a good chuckle if after Atlanta's ridiculous demands of Higgins, Lapierre, Pacioretty, a pick and someone else whose name escapes me, we get Hossa this summer for nothing.
1. www.flickeringpictures.com - not a hockey site, but still kinda neat
2. Josh Gorges on Montreal's attack: "They're comin', they're comin' and they keep comin'. Just line after line, wave after wave..."
Submitted by TOEmastro on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 14:28.
we have a spinach patch in the making down there, we have a team for the next 20 years! although a 50 goal scorer would be a nice addition at the end of the season
Submitted by SlySil on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 13:41.
Mike,
You're usually the voice of reason in my books but this time, I must respectfully disagree.
Its all about the Benjamins and winning or else no one would sign with Manchester United, Liverpool, AC Milan, Juventus or The NY Yankees where the fans in those cities have been known to cause a minor social mishap or two after or during a game....
Submitted by Hammer on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 13:37.
Please Mr. Boone, give the hyperbole a rest. When you start bringing in the Briere family and juxtapose it against this thuggery of the night, you are reaching. I for one live in western Canada, Calgary to be specific but have an affinity for the great city of Montreal.You have a beautiful city, wonderful history, unbelievable culture and a passion for hockey and life that you could bottle and sell to 99% of the rest of the country.
To start thinking and chiming in print the rationale for free agents going elsewhere and attempt to surmise that it must be because there will possibly be riots after a win, does the team, community and your city a disservice. There are always going to be social degenerates and it is up to the Sortie to put in place security so the other 99 % percent of the Wonderful sports fans can enjoy the after game socializing.
In the end Sir, I would rather take my chances walking down St. Catherine street, then tking my chances walking down Philidelphias equivalent.
Submitted by Wayne on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 18:06.
Brilliant! I agree, riots or otherwise, I love that city!
As for pressures on hockey spouses shopping??? Gimme a break, "please don't speak to me while i'm having my manicure". I'm sure it happens but rarely. I'm pretty sure that, whichever neighbourhood players choose, the neighbours would respect a tolerable level of privacy. No, the main reason players (mostly high caliber) don't come is because they have a choice. But I prefer to call them candy-asses.
Submitted by dysonsphere on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 13:43.
Well put Hammer.
Submitted by MikeL on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 13:14.
Who needs free agents when we draft like we do?
Submitted by Habhopeful on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 13:12.
Question for Mr. Boone...
Are they still having the Gazette Loge Tickets Giveaway??Im still waiting for my phone call...lol...
"12 'Till 25"
"If I wanted to hear from an ***, I would fart..."
Submitted by Habhopeful on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 13:02.
My god, take a look at the footage on www.tsn.ca/nhl.com of the rioting, its ****ing sad, I'm only 22 and thats sad in my eyes, I enjoy a good time and will go downtown next game to party it up but as far as all that is concerned not my thing, Thats horrible, as far as the rioters not being hab fans, I clearly see Hab fans everywhere, but i know what some people mean when they say there just idiots and punks looking for a reason to riot and loot...
"12 'Till 25"
"If I wanted to hear from an ***, I would fart..."
Submitted by Jrod McStitsyn on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 16:49.
The TSN footage shows a bunch of degenerates not even wearing the colours, but leather jackets, baggy pants and Yankee hats.
Shame on them and the rest of us can move on.
Submitted by Wayne on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 18:11.
.... yeah, tight pants made my butt look big.
Submitted by ZepFan2 on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 14:36.
"Thats horrible, as far as the rioters not being hab fans, I clearly see Hab fans everywhere"
Any moron can purchase a team jersey. Doesn't mean they're real fans.
Submitted by Exit716 on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 12:58.
Mr. Boone are you saying the Habs have to only sign bachelors as UFA's?
Submitted by cautiousoptimist on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 12:55.
The looting ticked me off too, but come on, you're much more likely to get shot in Philly, where Briere signed, than in Montreal. Or pretty much any other American city.
1. www.flickeringpictures.com - not a hockey site, but still kinda neat
2. Josh Gorges on Montreal's attack: "They're comin', they're comin' and they keep comin'. Just line after line, wave after wave..."
Submitted by doug on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 13:48.
If THAT isn't the truth. Went to University of Pennsylvania for med school, which is in Philly. When I wasn't seeing gunshot wounds in the E.R. I was attempting to avoid them on the way to and from school. There's hyperbole and then there's melodrama.
Submitted by likehoy on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 12:43.
the only reason someone wouldn't sign with montreal is cause they're heartless and aren't winners...who wouldn't want to win on the biggest stage for hockey in the world? someone who's not a real winner (or brendan shanahan who can do whatever he wants).
Submitted by the_larry on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 12:16.
I have a feeling most involved in the looting weren't even Habs fans, at least not like us on here. They are simply just a small group of punks who look for any opportunity to create havoc and destruction. Its embarassing for anyone who loves the game of hockey and the city of Montreal.
Submitted by crazydude on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 12:14.
Have the ghosts finally come over to the Bell Centre?
Submitted by ZepFan2 on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 11:55.
Bah, those were just some imbeciles being immbeciles last night.
At least we wait till the game's over.
Soccer fans in Mali started to riot after Togo went up 2-1 late in the game forcing officials to suspend the World cup qualifying game.
This shouldn't reflect on the game last night or the Habs and their TRUE fans. Unfortunately, it probably will.
Submitted by Geoff F on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 11:50.
Mike,
This has nothing to do with Hockey. It's simply groups of thugs looking for an opportunity to loot. What does looting have to do with celebrating Hockey and what does it accomplish?
I think it could be Leaf fans looking for a reason to celebrate/loot. They rarely make the playoffs so the pent up frustration has to come out somewhere!!!
Submitted by HABSfan_inAB on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 11:42.
This is the first time I have to disagree with you Mr. Boone. While I can understand why Mme. Briere would not want her family to be subjected to the constant press attention hockey players receive in Montreal 365 days a year, 7 days a week, to say the city is not civilized is wrong. Yes, there were many idiots last night - the same nitwits are in many other cities - they do not represent who true Montrealers are. For being a large, metropolitain city, I would have to say, that it is a safe and great place to live.
Submitted by Big Bird on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 11:36.
Mike - You need to breath a bit my friend. No one is happy about what happened but saying that is why free agents will not to sign in Montreal is bordering on hysteria.
If someone doesn't want to play here they will find any excuse. When someone wants to play here and sign as a UFA (Kovalev, Markov, Hamrlik) nothing will stop them.
Having used to live in Montreal, traveled the world for work and now living in Toronto, I can say Montreal is one of the safest cities in North America and the world. Bar none.
You should be outraged at what happened but I ask for a little perspective please. Love reading your blog.
Submitted by ebk on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 13:13.
excellent post again, my friend!
Submitted by The Teacher on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 11:26.
Calling jon Dean. Calling Jon Dean.
Actually, stay away you Captain basher.
As if you knew what you were talking about.
e the Habs ready to pay the Price?"
Submitted by MatttheHabsFan on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 12:56.
The Koivu nay-sayers seem to have all disappeared.
Alex Kovalev ~ "I still have four fingers left"
Submitted by The Teacher on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 13:01.
Hahaha, so funny I forgot to laugh. It's amazing isn't it?
SIDHU, you weren't overly critical of him, but you said you lost faith in him and didn't think we needed him midway through the season. What do you think of our Captain now?
Jon Dean- KOOOIIIIVUUUUUUUUUUUUUU, KOIIIIVUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
BOONE- Any words?
koivu was getting called for CHINTZY penalties all year. Those are not even worth considering in the most important time of the year. The playoffs.
"One face-off, one battle, one shift, one period, one game, one series at a time."
"Are the Habs ready to pay the Price?"
Submitted by sidhu on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 13:28.
Teach, yes I lost faith in him to be the dominant captain that we required - I think he's lost a step and he's no longer capable of being a top forward. Those feelings haven't changed. I don't think I said, "we don't need him," but as a captain I understandably held him to higher standards than other players. He is a useful cog on our team, no doubt about it. Higgy plays much better on the wing and with Saku feeding him. No doubt about that either. That said, even with our captain we were unable to close in game 6. Some could say that if our captain was that critical we would have closed then. But we didn't. I think a fair compromise is for guys like me to acknowlege he is an important part of the team, but also for us to lower expectations of what we expect a captain of the Canadiens to deliver offensively as our purported #1 center.
Submitted by The Teacher on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 13:32.
Carboneeau was a Captain. Gainey was a Captain.
I don't think either were noted for their offencive prowess?
"One face-off, one battle, one shift, one period, one game, one series at a time."
"Are the Habs ready to pay the Price?"
Submitted by sidhu on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 13:37.
We had this conversation already - not all captains are expected to be offensive scorers (e.g., Scott Stevens). But Saku is regarded as our #1 offensive center. Given that, shouldn't he produce like one?
Submitted by dysonsphere on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 13:53.
I thought Pleks was our #1 offensive center.
Submitted by sidhu on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 14:01.
It's all in the eye of the beholder - some could say, yes Pleks is our #1 center because Kovalev had such a strong season, and that Koivu didn't do as well because Ryder had such a poor season. I don't think there is any doubt, though, that at the beginning of the season Koivu was universally thought of as our #1 center with Higgy and Ryder comprising the rest of the top unit. Why things changed such that the Pleks became more dangerous is, again, I think a matter of individual interpretation.
Submitted by The Teacher on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 14:12.
What? koivu can't get old?
His best season also never broke 80 points. I don't understand why you thought he was a supreme offencive player?
He was regarded as our #1 Center point wise because we had no one else capable of putting up 60 points!
"One face-off, one battle, one shift, one period, one game, one series at a time."
"Are the Habs ready to pay the Price?"
Submitted by sidhu on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 15:52.
Never thought he was a "supreme offensive player," I expected him, in his role as an offensive center, to produce more than what he had. (Mind you, it's much easier for you to make these comments today after we win game 7 than when he was mired in a huge offensive slump during the season. Indeed, Streit was having a horrible series up until his beautiful moves last night.) I said that he was increasingly irrelevant as an offensive player, which is not inconsistent with concessions that he is getting old and that Pleks is our #1 center now. As I noted above, I will diminish my expectations of Saku in part because of his age.
And as I have also said before, these minor differences in opinion pale in comparison to our shared and common love for our team. I'd rather appreciate what our team has done and look forward to the next series rather than try to "call out" fellow Habs fans who have "bashed" certain players. I still have responded because I should stand by or clarify comments that I have made.
Submitted by The Teacher on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 19:57.
(Mind you, it's much easier for you to make these comments today after we win game 7 than when he was mired in a huge offensive slump during the season.
Yes, but I was defending him in the middle of his slump :)
I'm really just joshing you. Not trying to call you out, I just knew you would respond with valid points ;)
"One face-off, one battle, one shift, one period, one game, one series at a time."
"Are the Habs ready to pay the Price?"
Submitted by dysonsphere on Tue, 04/22/2008 - 14:10.
And so you consider Rider the #1 right winger? Its all about now, baby. Saku is useful in any role, he is an inspiration and is respected by the players on this team (and throughout the league). Teach's point is that the C does not have to score, so what if he is not scoring as he contributes in other ways so that others do score and we get scored on less, and is more than deserving of the captaincy.
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